tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post7470439504680545283..comments2023-10-30T19:20:15.471+08:00Comments on desirable audio boutique 欲望:音响: good sound has universal standardsmaggielurva 愛美姬http://www.blogger.com/profile/14547223575199060065noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-2874280908179319742008-12-12T14:03:00.000+08:002008-12-12T14:03:00.000+08:00All,I have never heard a system where it can mimic...All,<BR/><BR/>I have never heard a system where it can mimic real "live" sound. It is impossible. <BR/><BR/>We can argue tubes vs SS or vinyl vs cd. We can even argue about planar vs box speakers. To me the most important thing is that an owner buys a system to, first and foremost, satisfy him or herself. If that sound is well liked by others, great. If not, the owner can go for improvement if he/she deems necessary. <BR/><BR/>I personally think an audiophile first job is to know what music they like to listen to. After that, try to get the hardware that can play those kind of music well. <BR/><BR/>Just remember at the end of the day, a hifi system does colour the sound no matter how neutral we say it is.<BR/><BR/>YMMV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-91907345187796797262008-12-10T11:01:00.000+08:002008-12-10T11:01:00.000+08:00In term of Realism nothing ccan come close to Live...In term of Realism nothing ccan come close to Live ,unamplified music as Analogue rigs do-that is an irrefutable factIMO.<BR/><BR/> this is not about what is better,it is as simple as that.Musicality,and musical enjoyment is something else though,and a well set up Digital rigs can sound better musically than an Analogoue-but not if you use live music as referanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-50617942548523947962008-12-10T09:59:00.000+08:002008-12-10T09:59:00.000+08:00I think -correct me if I am wrong-what Simon is tr...I think -correct me if I am wrong-what Simon is trying to say is that Vinyl sound more "real',more like live music in term of its dimensionality,tonality,naturalness-on these I cannot argue,especially IF you use live unamplified musics[acapella,baroque,classical,opera].<BR/><BR/> BUT,certainly digital playback-well set up ones-will provide MUSICAL enjoyment just as much.Take transient for e.g.On Digital playback,it is always better pronounced;even better than live music!!!!but I enjoy listening to all the details that only a good digital playbvack could provide,knowing very well it is nothing like live music;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-16052441091921659442008-12-10T01:43:00.000+08:002008-12-10T01:43:00.000+08:00maggie,u r talking abt universal standards and use...maggie,<BR/><BR/>u r talking abt universal standards and use live music as reference, then in the next breath u said reproduced music can't achieve live sound and a facscimile will do?! Sound at a reduced scale from ls3/5a will also do?! How can this be universal standard? u contradict yourslef.<BR/>If I need scale, dynamics and detail in my facsimile to get me excited, and say this is not included in ur facsimile universal standards (u seem to prefer tonality), so whose facsimile is more correct?<BR/>Sometimes it is dangerous to talk in absolutes ('universal')Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-21118083794548597882008-12-10T00:23:00.000+08:002008-12-10T00:23:00.000+08:00Aha, the old vinyl vs digital debate is around the...Aha, the old vinyl vs digital debate is around the corner. Well, I can vouch for simon. In my experience, vinyl is better anytime. I recently setup my humble Rega P3, after a long long rest, thought that my digital playback was very good already. Within 1 minute, I could tell vinyl playback was much much more realistic. The jump factor was there. But now I felt the Rega was spinning a little too fast to my liking and it sounded thinner tonally.GCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623519902146874721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-88331372514513239922008-12-09T23:23:00.000+08:002008-12-09T23:23:00.000+08:00anonymous, almost ANY vinyl system will humble the...anonymous,<BR/><BR/> almost ANY vinyl system will humble the most expensive digital setup,IF we use live music as referance....Let's see ,you can start with a LINN sondek,or the humble REGA p-3...and try Karajan's interpretation of Beethoven's 9th as a start...DG on vinyl vs SACD on the BEST digital playback you have, and i can bet you within ONE minute you would know which is more closer to live...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-26218759992107032112008-12-09T23:05:00.000+08:002008-12-09T23:05:00.000+08:00Simon,Which vinyl system is your basis for compari...Simon,<BR/>Which vinyl system is your basis for comparison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-62521538142689433472008-12-09T23:01:00.000+08:002008-12-09T23:01:00.000+08:00maggie,if you take live music as your reference,i ...maggie,<BR/><BR/>if you take live music as your reference,i am afraid only a vinyl-based system will be good enough as reference.<BR/><BR/> in my experience listening and sharing,no digital-based system -yup,heard them all;reim yo,zanden,meridian,weiss-can never sound as real as a vinyl based system;well with the exception of perharps the dcs latest stack...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-18783105678392602822008-12-09T20:36:00.000+08:002008-12-09T20:36:00.000+08:00CK, thanks for the good read, very eye opening. t...CK, <BR/>thanks for the good read, very eye opening. there's one point from the writer which I really liked, and agree with:<BR/><BR/>"If we're talking about our experience, what matters most is our experience. If anything, the relevant and interesting question to pursue is - why did you like what you liked?" <BR/><BR/>many people fail to explain or even capture the essence of what they like.<BR/><BR/>music like an art is about the appreciation, and when we start to understand that music is not merely about audiophile cds or test cds, can we fully understand what good sound is. from there, we adjust the cues (like in the case of art.. the lighting, the ambiance etc) to bring out the best of the painted picture.<BR/><BR/>like a good friend once told me, the painted picture must be like an "open window"!Michael Nghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03206238846939952671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-48152659974162009042008-12-09T13:48:00.000+08:002008-12-09T13:48:00.000+08:00Perhaps this writer have a point after all the "go...Perhaps this writer have a point after all the "good sound = life sound" mantra.Enjoy the read.<BR/><BR/>http://6moons.com/industryfeatures/whymusic<BR/>matters/itsimplydoes.htmlGCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623519902146874721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-14618708184565522542008-12-09T11:59:00.000+08:002008-12-09T11:59:00.000+08:00When you talk about universal standard I cant help...When you talk about universal standard I cant help but agree with you fully....but there is one caveat;it might not sound alike........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-30209629105163345272008-12-09T11:09:00.000+08:002008-12-09T11:09:00.000+08:00I have listened to live amplified music and compar...I have listened to live amplified music and compared the performance with that on a studio recorded CD and I can assure you my system sounds way better. I also heard one item performed without mikes and it was totally different and by no means better than that same performance amplified.<BR/>The only universal standard is live unamplified classical music.<BR/>So unless you listen to classical music you have no standard to go by.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-52924428760758627252008-12-09T10:43:00.000+08:002008-12-09T10:43:00.000+08:00i fully agree with the above statement by anonymou...i fully agree with the above statement by anonymous and quite we put too...<BR/><BR/> even live music sound different in different venues and different locations in the concert haLL[That is why the price of the tickets are different] ....<BR/><BR/> IMHO a well set up system can sound better than off pitch singer in an acoustically challenged concert hall.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-51922447923434084372008-12-09T01:09:00.000+08:002008-12-09T01:09:00.000+08:00The point about using life sound as the 'universal...The point about using life sound as the 'universal standard' may seem to be logical at first glance, but with deeper thought it is fraught with pitfalls. My doubt is confirmed when I read what's written by Anthony H. Cordesman in a review of his in the Jan 2006 TAS. <BR/>I'd just like to quote the passages verbatim since I can't put it better than him:<BR/><BR/>"We talk a lot about musical accuracy and absolutes in The Absolute Sound. We place an almost ritual emphasis on listening to live music as a standard. The truth is, however, no two reviewers share the same taste or define absolutes in the same way. We all do share a common joy in music, but no one who reads the magazine with any frequency can believe we share the same musical taste. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, as someone who travels to some twenty to thrity countries a year, I have heard live music sound so different in so many places, and the sonic nuances of a given performance shift so much in character as I move through the performance area, that I am not about to designate one mix of sound characteristics as a standard. Anyone who believes that there is one such standard for the sound of live music has led an amazing sheltered and musically narrow life. Even if the illusion of electronic reproduction could be perfect - and it can't - the issue of which musical reality a given audiophile prefers would still be a matter of personal experience and taste."<BR/><BR/>Bravo, what a brilliant deconstruction of the "good sound = life sound" mantra.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-84856203420447826572008-12-09T00:49:00.000+08:002008-12-09T00:49:00.000+08:00Yes, I do concur with the ultimate comparison to r...Yes, I do concur with the ultimate comparison to real life instruments and real life scenarios. OTOH do you realize just how loud and dynamic a simple solo trumpet or a saxaphone can sound? Even some of the highest level of hi-fi players failed to realize that. There goes the universal standards ;-)<BR/>TWKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15183108.post-1323250784762532262008-12-09T00:11:00.000+08:002008-12-09T00:11:00.000+08:00I thought you were busy listening and setting up y...I thought you were busy listening and setting up your system after you ARC pre-amp got repaired. 1 month is a longgg time for music lover like us. <BR/>Agreed, good sound have universal standards. I am beginning to understand now. <BR/>I am free for "yum cha" usual time.GCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623519902146874721noreply@blogger.com